Update: What’s been said has been said. Both sides have aired their opinions on the matter. I have no wish to further continue a stressful and unproductive argument on my blogspace. All the participating commentors have blogs of his or her own, and of course are free to continue talking over there. To sum up: God allows all manner of bad things (trials) in our life to strengthen us. From sickness to job problems to relationship difficulties. But there is a key difference between allowing trials and INFLICTING trials. God does not afflict the children God died for.
There is a lot I don’t like about being sick. I hate the pain. I hate the inescapable nausea–I’ve either got pain so bad it makes my gorge rise or the medication I take to correct the root causes carries its own brand of regurgeousness. But more than anything else I deplore the current trend of Blame The Patient thinking. Any person with a serious illness will inevitably hear that the illness is their fault. Sure, medical conditions like pregnancy (while not an illness) can definitely be traced to a person’s participation in certain causal events, willing or unwilling. But more often than not, the reasons behind a person become sick are such a convoluted permutation of factors that there is simply no way to say “you have this because did that.” And that’s okay. Real life is not an episode of House M.D. where finding out the origin of a disease directly leads to a cure. Real life is complicated. It’s messy. And it’s always, always, always terminal.
[Since this is longer than my customary 500 word limit, I’m throwing in a jump]
But you will hear from young people that you are sick because you don’t maintain positive energy or a “healthy lifestyle.” From older people you will be told that your illness is due to some crazy thing your generation does which their generation considered unthinkable. Crackpots will tell you that alien ghost people are invading your cells to recreate their volcano dominion over this planet and you have to maintain positivity to drive the alien ghost people out.
Christians will tell you that you have sinned. Blogger Rebecca Luella Miller writes:
I wonder if sickness caused by sin doesn’t look like any other sickness. When I was reading about the symptoms the Philistines suffered, I couldn’t help but wonder if they didn’t have small pox. Or not. God could have given them their own special “don’t touch the ark” disease, just as He could give us a special because-of-sin virus.
Of course I believe that ALL sickness is caused by sin, in that we live in a fallen world. Death in all its forms–include the rapid entropy of any illness–entered into the world when sin did. That’s my basic Christian belief. But I do not believe for one second that any person’s illness can be said to be their “punishment for sin” or “caused by their sin” in that way that the Health and Wealth preachers constantly drive home. Our God is not a black magician, bewitching us and hexing us. God has offered one remedy for sin. One. It is an all-time cure-all. Why would any God who has already gone through the trouble of becoming human and enduring the painful self-alienating torturous sacrifice that Jesus went through then be so petty as to give a sinner cancer or arthritis or AIDS as a sort of reminder to get saved?!? It doesn’t make one iota of sense. Now that we have the eternal presence of the Holy Spirit, the pre-pentecostal ways of communication God used to get the point across are no longer necessary. Those things–like the plague boils–are for another time.
Now I know that most of you who are reading this are thinking at least in part about those verses in James that talk about anointing. I have great issue with those verses because of how many Christians over the years have misinterpreted them. Let’s have a quick look at what they say, first of all:
“Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven” (James 5:14-15, NKJV).
Now over the years I’ve heard more than one sermon blazingly preached about how these verses mean that if you pray hard enough, or get the right people to pray hard enough, or use the right oils or have enough faith that you will be healed. I’ve seen more than one person lose faith entirely when they do what the Bible says and aren’t cured. They’ve prayed hard, had the oil poured on their heads and still they can’t walk. They lose a breast to cancer. Their baby dies of liver failure.
My mother has been urging me for years to be anointed and I’ve resisted the practice for the sole reason that I don’t wish to be communicating that I want to be healed. I KNOW from countless conversations with God that my illness is with me for a season of undetermined length because it serves several purposes. To demand that I be healed is to shortchange God of the job of work God is trying to do in my life.
But look at those verses again, this time without Joyce Meyer or that over-enthusiastic new convert with the guitar and flip-flops (mis)interpreting them.
They don’t say you’ll be cured. Anywhere. At all.
What they do say is:
the prayer of faith will save the sick
In our earthly desires and our limited point of view we are most inclined to think of “saved” as meaning “cured”. But God is in it for the long game. For a sick person to be saved means that they will receive the peace of God. It’s an eternal sort of “saved”, one that’s far better than getting over any illness of the body.
the Lord will raise him up
This doesn’t mean that God gets you off your sick bed. It means that the Glory of God will give you a joy that transcends illness.
if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven
Kind of a no-brainer, really. The forgiveness of sin is the cornerstone of our faith. This is a reminder that God forgives when beseeched.
It’s a backwards logic to read this verses as many people do. The thought pattern seems to be that if we’re forgiven of sins while we are sick then the sins and the sickness must go together. And that’s sad because it means that for all the decades I’ve been alive (and possibly longer) people have twisted these words of comfort into a denouncement of the ill.
Look at it this way.
When I had the flu as a child my mom would say “take a shower or at least wash your face and you’ll feel better.” What that meant was simply that the hot water would soothe your aching muscles, that having the grease and grime of fever rinsed from your hair and the stale sweat from your skin would be refreshing and distance you slightly from the gutter of your worst symptoms. It never meant that you had the flu because you hadn’t showered.
Or, in an analogy I used with my friends, say you have an aunt who makes killer herbal tea. You may tell a friend that your aunt’s tea, drunk three times a day, is the best thing for a bad cold. What that means is that the tea will soothe your symptoms and relax you. It doesn’t mean that you have a cold because you never drank the tea before.
Illness is a difficult thing. Illnesses like mine–where there is no cure–can break your mind and spirit as well as your body. Believe me when I say that any ill person has examined their life in minute detail to see what they could have done differently. We all have an ache of futility inside us. But is God bullying us into being better people? Not the God of Grace. Not the God of the Cross. Not the God of the Empty Tomb and the Rent Veil.
Not that mine is anything close to yours (all the pain you go through… hard for me to imagine being able to deal with it… but God has been with you, and you are making it through)… but still, as another one who has an autoimmune disease that I did NOTHING to get but have to be a good steward of managing it… I thank you for writing this. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!
{{{{{{{{{{ Kat }}}}}}}}}} <— May God send you a supernatural hug that causes no body pain but brings warmth, joy, grace, and peace. 🙂
I think you misunderstood Rebecca’s post. I hope your readers will read it for themselves.
You ask:
Our God is not a black magician, bewitching us and hexing us. God has offered one remedy for sin. One. It is an all-time cure-all. Why would any God who has already gone through the trouble of becoming human and enduring the painful self-alienating torturous sacrifice that Jesus went through then be so petty as to give a sinner cancer or arthritis or AIDS as a sort of reminder to get saved?!?
God is not petty. He is a good father, disciplining those he loves. He gives trials to bring us to perfection. He is not giving the trials to remind us to get saved, but as a gift to make us into the image of his son. (Hebrews 12, and James 1)
God also is glorified when we suffer well. When we, like Job, say, “The Lord giveth and he taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord,” God gets glory and Satan suffers defeat. Satan loves to accuse us to God, saying that we are too sinful and God should hold us accountable for our sins. And Satan loves to accuse God to us, saying that God doesn’t love us and that’s why he withholds good things, like fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and healing from diseases. But Satan is a liar. When we trust God in the midst of suffering we show that we believe Satan is a liar and God is good.
You misrepresented Rebecca’s post. She clearly said that Job proved that not all sickness is a response from God to the sin of the individual. Does that mean that sin is NEVER given by God to turn us from error? If you think that, you are going against scripture that clearly says we do sometimes suffer because we sin. (1 Corinthians 11)
Hi, Katherine, thanks for visiting my site and linking to my article.
I started the post by saying the topic made me uncomfortable. The reason for my feeling so was because I was afraid some would misunderstand, thinking that I was kicking sick people when they are down or giving others the right to judge.
The truth is, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that there is no one-to-one correlation between sin and sickness. However, the Christian circles I hang with (not Health-and-Wealthers) leave it there.
The Bible doesn’t. Sally referenced the passage in I Corinthians that shows post crucifixion/resurrection believers experienced sickness as a result of their unconfessed sin. The couple that lied about the amount they sold their property for even dropped dead.
Numerous examples abound in the Old Testament—the plague that came on Israel from snake bites because of their disobedience, Miriam’s leprosy when she tried to usurp Moses’s authority, and so on.
Christians I know act as if those passages have nothing to say to the church today. I’m suggesting they do.
In saying that, I am still standing against the idea that ALL sickness is from sin (except as you so well explained, as a result of the presence of sin in the world due to the Fall).
Rather, I want to call attention to the fact that we Christians should think bigger. Sickness can be an occasion for us to think about God and our relationship with Him. It can build our trust muscle (James 1), our reliance on God’s sufficiency to see us through (2 Cor 12:9), it can point us to our need to confess our sin (James 5), it can give us occasion to glorify God because of His healing (John 9). There are probably lots of other things too.
But the believers I know tend to think the ONLY approach when hearing someone is sick, is to pray for their healing. I used to think that too.
I still pray for healing, but God is showing me I also need to pray for His purpose to be accomplished in sickness. Which sometimes means that He will get my attention, or their attention, about some sin that needs to be confessed.
Thanks for your thoughtful response to my article. I hope I’ve clarified my position for you.
Becky
I remember once upon a time having a similar discussion in a discipleship class. We were discussing the broader topic of whether or not God actively punishes sin.
The whole notion of God actively punishing sin is inconsistent with the idea of salvation so far as I can tell. If a Christian is supposed to be “washed by the blood of the lamb,” then what precisely is God punishing? If Christ has already suffered the punishment for the sin (which biblically is DEATH, not mere sickness), then it seems unlikely for a God who is love to dole out further punishment after the price has already been paid.
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
These are the verses in I Corinthians 11 that both Sally and Rebecca mention.
In addition Rebecca mentions the story of Ananais and Sephira, which I’ve written about before, in the context of the Gosselins.
First off, let me say that Dolphin succinctly said what I would have.
I believe that sins committed now will have earthly consequences. For instance if you rob a bank and then get saved (or re-reconciled), you will go to jail. Getting saved doesn’t mean you’re off the hook for the direct consequences.
But if the wages of sin are death, and God already took the death for us, why would we be asked to accept a sort of sin tax?
Getting back to 1Cor. 11:
The sins committed both here in this passage and in the recounting of Ananais and Sephira are a very specific sin of blaspheming in pride. They were irreverent. I realise it doesn’t sound like a “serious” sin, but it is the most serious. In both cases, the individuals were mocking God for selfish personal gain.
And there is specific punishment for that–a punishment of spiritual sickness and weakness.
Look at it backward: Paul says some of us are asleep because of sin (“asleep” here meaning “dead”). Interpreting ICor. 11 to mean that some have physically sickened unto death as a result of sin would mean that physical death is a punishment for sin; it would mean that the converse would also be true. Those who hadn’t continued sinning and who properly observed communion would still be alive today. Right?
Does God use illness as a way to punish and correct us? I think God allows us to become sick in order to teach us, the way God allows any struggle. But I don’t believe God actively afflicts as punishment.
Look at it this way: You are the parent of an eight year old who wants to stay up all night at a slumber party. You let them,knowing full well that they will be tired all the next day and will fall asleep during the matinee they’d waited months to see. You tell them this, and still they stay up late. When Saturday evening comes the child comes to you and says “mom, can I go back to the movie next week? I feel asleep today and missed it?” You say “I told you not to stay up all night. You did something wrong and now you see how it affects your life. Bet you won’t do that again.” That’s how God deals with us.
No good mother picks up the eight year old from the slumber party, finds out she hadn’t slept all night and then poisons her breakfast to assure that she is too sick to go to the movie just to get the point across.
One example is good parenting. The other is a twisted psychopathic bully.
Katherine, I’m not sure what I said to give you or dolphin the idea that I’m saying God uses sickness to punish sin. Jesus Christ took the punishment for sin. But I believe He uses sin to get our attention. I thought I’d use that phrase before. Maybe not. He wants us to look to Him, listen to Him, believe Him, obey Him. If we aren’t, I think He uses a variety of ways of getting our attention. Sometimes I believe He uses sickness.
Pretty much, that’s all I’m saying.
In the case of Ananais and Sephira, perhaps it was the Church He wanted to reach. The two who discredited His name, He stopped, whatever the sin you ascribe to them.
I don’t have time right now to delve into more. Hope this makes sense.
Becky
Hebrews 12:
4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a]
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,”[b] so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
Endure hardship as discipline;
This line seems to specifically indicate that God allows hardship as discipline, rather than doling it out as punishment. I think there’s a distinction between discipline and punishment that you’re not making here. We all encounter hardships in our lives that we should use to develop ourselves further. That’s what discipline is. Proper discipline (whether between parent and child or God and follower) helps one to see the negative consequences of choices that are made so that they might make better choices in the future. Punishment, on the other hand, is causing suffering in response to choices made but not because of choices made.
I’m not sure why punishment even came up. Who brought up punishment?