Lately I’ve been getting a lot of traffic to this eight-month old post. Given the subject matter, I’d chalked it up to a higher-than-usual perv rate among Harry Potter fans now that the final installment of the book is out.
Finally, though, it seems that at least one visitor saw fit to enlighten me.
The most recent saga over user-generated Harry Potter artwork appears to have started late last week, when at least two users, “ponderosa121″ and “elaboration,” reported receiving notices from a LiveJournal abuse team member who informed them that their accounts had been “permanently suspended.” (One user tracking the situation says an “undetermined” number of other Harry Potter artists have also been suspended in recent weeks, but we’ve yet to get official confirmation on that.) The reason for the deletions? The users’ journal entries contained “drawings depicting minors in explicit sexual situations,” which represented a violation of LiveJournal’s policies, according to copies of the letters posted by their recipients.
Pardon me if I don’t cry my eyes out over this “violation of rights”. You can smack me down with Bad Libertarian points all you like, but I frankly don’t think that LiveJournal is a public service. Rather, they are a private (corporate) entity and as such has every right to curtail the use of their forums when it comes to kiddie porn.
***WARNING*** THE FOLLOWING CONTENT CONTAINS MILDLY GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS POSSIBLY NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN
In ponderosa121’s case, the offending image depicted an unclothed Harry Potter of ambiguous age receiving oral sex from sometimes-villain Severus Snape. The image posted by elaboration, who describes herself on an external site as a 21-year-old Atlanta sometimes-resident with a fondness for “zombies, pie and cold pizza,” showed the twin brothers of Ron Weasley, Harry’s good friend, in their own intimate moment. There were no ages listed in the fantasy images, however, so they could have been meant to depict the lads when they were 18 years old.
Ha. Nice try, LiveJournal users. I’ve read enough horrifying snippets of the stories meant to accompany those pictures. They’re usually set at Hogwarts, where the vast number of students are under 18. The characters are, for the vast majority of the stories, under 18. Everybody knows it. You don’t have to draw leader-lines and arrows pointing at the Weasley Twins or Harry giving their ages. We know that the vast majority of you writing stories about underaged sexual behaviour.
The question of “why” is still on my mind, and heavily. What would compel anyone to want to depict the molestation of a children’s book character? Of course, I have my ideas…but I’m trying not to dwell on them.
Frankly, for the past 6 weeks the entire internet is awash in people searching for anything and everything to do with Harry Potter. I’d like to think that it’d be nice for them not to have to see the same trash I saw last October. Thanks, LiveJournal. Better late than never.
UPDATE: Apparently this whole scenario is being referred to as “Boldthrough“. I do think it’s kind of funny that so many people are treating this as some sort of personal violation. Dudes. LiveJournal is a business. It is not your grandmother’s TV room, no matter how cozy you feel there.
I think people who distort HP for their own disgusting purposes cannot be called “fans.” Their “fanfic” is trash and LiveJournal has a right to get rid of it. I’m a grown woman who is disgusted and offended by the descriptions of these images. Innocent, young HP fans should not have to stumble across that garbage.
My theory is that people just kinda forget their kids and are treating them as adults. The kid bodies are incidental to the situation. But there are obvious exceptions.
Correction: ponderosa121 was not suspended for drawing “child porn” or whatever you call it. LJ states she was permanently banned for LACKING artistic merit. She did not receive any warning or temporary suspension in order to remove the offending material. LJ has instead deleted all of her accounts, which is frankly, an overkill. Permanently banning a user because she lacks artistic merit stinks of blanket policies. Users are angry because LJ is enforcing vague rules; users don’t know what is legal and illegal.
As a consumer, you may want to look at their point of view: if any of your entries are considered illegal without any clear cut rules (and this does not only apply to porn, but copyright as well), would you agree to LJ permanently banning you(as a paid user) without any request to take down the offending post?
You may want to research more on the top before you comment about something you clearly don’t understand.
Mary, I’ve seen the pictures. They looked like something a deranged kid would draw in the back of their spiral-bound notebook during an especially dull Algebra class.
I think LJ’s statement that they “lacked artistic merit” was a way of saying “Look, don’t even try to convince us this was Mapplethorpe here. It’s scummy crap about a teacher having sex with his student.”
According to conversations going on over at Greatest Journal, the big Planned Defence Against The Baddies At Live Journal is to compare these banned works to Henry Miller and Robert Mapplethorpe.
Because, yeah, some skeevy fanfic about Harry digging up his dead father’s corpse and raping it is JUST THE SAME as Tropic of Cancer.
As a consumer, you may want to look at their point of view: if any of your entries are considered illegal without any clear cut rules (and this does not only apply to porn, but copyright as well), would you agree to LJ permanently banning you(as a paid user) without any request to take down the offending post?
Uh, yeah. See, I’m 37. I know how the world works, and I understand business.
I know you LiveJournal users are really proud of your Communities and you think that it’s your second home and run by your parents and whatnot. But as I said before–it is a business. You had to agree to Terms of Service before getting your account there.
See all that? They tell you right up front before you shell out your $19.95/yr that they can shut you down If They FEEL LIKE IT.
Theoretically, they could shut you down if you called their sister a bad name.
You may want to research more on the top before you comment about something you clearly don’t understand.
Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand the situation.
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I think the majority of the problems people are having now – and the things that rub me the wrong way – are that:
1) LJ is being inconsistent about what they’re actually condemning with these bans. They’re having to simply rely on what’s reported, it seems. Clearly, they can’t get to everything, but I know that there are several people who have icons – all of which are viewable to whoever is willing to look for them – depicting these characters in a manner that is every bit as illicit as the artwork that led to the recent suspensions. Heck, *I* have a pretty racy H/G icon myself.
2) LJ has also been very slippery and downright stupid in how it has handled all this. Were suspensions really necessary? The procedure *used* to be to warn the user that if they didn’t take the art down, THEN they would be suspended. And then we have LJs pitiful attempts to show everyone how pro-free-speech they are by donating part of the proceeds from Permanent Account purchases toward organizations that fight for free speech (all but one of which are directly affiliated with the people who own a good chunk of the company that runs LJ).
I’m all for cracking down on inappropriate content, and I really don’t want to leave LJ, but they have seriously mishandled a lot of things in this mess. Of course, none of this would be necessary if people would just not be so stupid about parading their kinks outside password-protected or otherwise locked-away places.
Well, here’s what I don’t get. When you put stuff that could be construed as kiddie porn up on LiveJournal, you are, in effect, making LiveJournal a kiddie porn provider. You’re putting them in a position to have to take on legal responsibility for an illegal “kink” that, let’s not forget, harms children.
How can y’all not understand LJ’s haste in getting that stuff disassociated from their company as quickly as possible?
People go to jail for providing kiddie porn.
“How can y’all not understand LJ’s haste in getting [kiddie porn] disassociated from their company as quickly as possible?”
How can YOU not understand that it’s not actually kiddie porn? It’s a drawing of fictional characters who are interpreted by many, MANY people to be at least 18 if not several years over. Kiddie porn is pictures of actual, real live children. No one in fandom on livejournal that’s involved or concerned with this issue actually posts ANY type of ACTUAL child pornography or has any problem with that material being a) against the TOS and b) removed from livejournal as illegal material.
“You had to agree to Terms of Service before getting your account there.”
The TOS all users agreed to did NOT define allowable content. Most livejournal users have been around for years, this issue of allowable content under the TOS has only come up in the last few months. If there have been changes to the TOS, they have never been officially posted. Different representatives of livejournal have been giving conflicting information in various forums, and one of the images in question had been posted in the past to a community that had ALREADY BEEN CLEARED AS ALLOWABLE in the recent mess over pedophile communities. I’d say it’s reasonable for any user in that community to assume that their content, which had been reinstated with much apology by livejournal staff, did not violate the TOS. And even STILL, the users and moderators of that community pressed livejournal staff repeatedly for clear and definite examples of allowable vs. non-allowable content and were not given that information.
Which doesn’t even get into what a lousy argument you’re setting up here. You’re saying, “kiddie porn = bad, therefore lj’s actions = good and if you don’t agree you’re a disgusting pedophile!” There are some of us who don’t particularly like the artwork in question, who don’t like reading about Harry raping his dead father (as if the entirety of the online fan community can be summed up with that one example – since you claim to be a member of that fan community, can we assume you too like to read necrophiliac incest stories about Harry Potter? Or does only apply to OTHER people?), but who still see big problems with banning journals with content that a) has been previously uncontested by livejournal staff, b) is not clearly considered disallowed under the TOS, and c) is not actually illegal OR child pornography but was banned because it lacked “artistic merit” as explicitly stated by livejournal staff.
I have a BIG problem with a company that gets my money behaving like that towards paying customers in cases that are, at best, gray areas. Whatever happened to benefit of the doubt or guilty until proven innocent? Did livejournal staff approach the artists and ask how old the characters were as depicted? Did they provide the opportunity to remove the images that had never actuall been stated as non-allowable content? Nope.
There are hundreds of users and communites on livejournal who ACTUALLY have harmful content. Communities celebrating anorexia, promoting borderline-abusive childcare methods that have been warned against by the American Academy of Pediatrics, containing actual pornography with real people or hate speech. Have any of those been reported and banned? No. No, apparently the real scourge of livejournal is drawings of a fictional character engaged in consensual sex acts. But of course, the only reason I’m concerned about that must be that I’m a sicko who likes kiddie porn, right? You’re right. It’s a great day for the internet.
According to the Federal law, child pornography “means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where— (A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; (B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct. ”
Are y’all not creaing visual depiction of identifiable minors engaged in sexually explicity conduct?
If so, then again, check the federal legal code. LJ’s best defense, once such illegal material has been brought to their attention is to remove it. Folks are lucky LJ isn’t turning them over to the feds.
The US Code currently defines child pornography as a visual depiction (simulated or otherwise) of an identifiable minor. “Visual depictions” include data stored on a computer disk, whether photographic in origin or not. The law explicitly includes “computer generated images…whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means.” So, I think that you are incorrect about drawings posted on LJ being exempt because they are drawings. You’re on more solid ground when you talk about the “indentifiable minor” being a fictional character — this seems to me to be more a copyright infringement issue involving the theft of intellectual property. However, it’s my understanding that there are actual real kids who were models for the HP drawings — if the faces in the LJ works were done in imitation of the existing artwork for the books, then that would be illegal under the terms of the federal child porn laws.
Whatever. LJ admins said it “lacked artistic merit” (“artistic merit” is currently the standard that separates erotic art from porn) and they used the user’s agreement to the TOS to get rid of something that they didn’t want before they were sued. They are a business and they act like a business. They change their standards as they are pressed to do so and they communicate poorly to their customers. Your remedy is to take your $19.95 a year and spend it somewhere else. Since you’re up in arms about the erosion of free speech, I suggest joining the ACLU.
FYI, the statute we’re citing is US CODE, Title 18, Part I, Ch 110, Sec. 2256. (In case anyone else wanted to go look it up.)
whoever,
Here’s a suggestion for you, if your drawings aren’t illegal (and they may well not be, I’m no lawyer so I won’t take a guess at it), why not purchase your own webspace and post them there? Why is it so important that livejournal displays them for you?
I guarantee you that livejournal won’t go around forcing you to display their content on your server, so why do you feel that they must display your content on theirs.
Their TOS of pretty clear on the matter: “You agree that LiveJournal, in its sole discretion, may terminate your password, journal, or account, and remove and discard any content within the Service, for any reason” and “You agree that any termination of your access to the Service under any provision of this TOS may be effected without prior notice, and acknowledge and agree that LiveJournal may immediately deactivate or delete your LiveJournal journal and all related information and files. LiveJournal reserves the right to bar any further access to such files or the Service. You agree that LiveJournal shall not be liable to you or any third-party for any termination of your access to the Service. Paid accounts that are terminated will not be refunded.”
Didn’t you agree to that when you signed up?
Dolphin, perhaps you’re confused. I don’t draw things and post them to livejournal. I’m merely an interested party and a paying customer who finds the fact that only homoerotic images are being targetted to be extremely problematic, especially given the fact that many other ACTUALLY OFFENSIVE groups and posters have been reported to livejournal over the years, and livejournal said, “sorry, nothing we can do.”
“Since you’re up in arms about the erosion of free speech, I suggest joining the ACLU.”
Since when did I say anything about freedom of speech? And how do you know I’m NOT a member of the ACLU? Perhaps you should enroll in a reading comprehension course. PS – the faces in the artwork were not based on the movie characters. They were more anime images. But why let that stop anyone from drawing conclusions? Who needs facts?
And their TOS is as clear as mud. Drawings like those in question have been posted to livejournal for YEARS. Then suddenly they become an issue because a dominionist group decides to get threatening. So naturally, users who have been posting content like that all along asked livejournal staff clearly and repeatedly if that type of content was allowed by livejournal. They were given no clear answers. In fact, a representative of livejournal said test cases would be allowed to be submitted for evaluation without fear of reprisal, so users could a) determine what the TOS actually MEANT, and b) comply with it. People WANT to comply with it. They just don’t know how.
Livejournal is a business. And they’re running it into the ground right now by being unresponsive to their users, unclear about allowable content, and easily swayed by crazy people who think that the internet should be cleared out of “undesirables.”
Dear whoever,
The vast majority of LiveJournal fandom doesn’t agree with you. You’ll notice how quiet they’ve been. They aren’t speaking up. (Because they don’t want to be slapped at, have flame wars break out in their journals and don’t want to make fandom wank.) They are continuing to go about their fannish activity totally unaffected. Please don’t represent yourself as representing more people than you actually do.
… oh and parts of fandom? That silent part? They don’t like what is being posted. They don’t want to be associated with it. They view chan as bad. They see it as offensive. If LiveJournal got rid of all the chan, they’d be happy about it.
As for answering to their customers, that is not the only group LiveJournal has to answer to. They have advertisers. Do you think it is in LiveJournal’s best interest to be known as the blogging service for Harry Potter perverted pedos? Do you think Pepsi, Bo Flex, Lulu want to advertise on a site known for that sort of content? LiveJournal is a business and their image matters. If you weren’t so self centered, you’d realize that what they’ve done is in their and your own best interest.
And their TOS is as clear as mud.
Seemed pretty clear to me. They can terminate your account at any time for any reason. How could it be any more clear?
If you don’t like the terms don’t agree to them. Nobody is forced to sign up for a livejournal account.
Livejournal is a business. And they’re running it into the ground right now by being unresponsive to their users, unclear about allowable content, and easily swayed by crazy people who think that the internet should be cleared out of “undesirables.”
Maybe they are. But don’t they have that right? If you’re right that livejournal is being unresponsive to the bulk of their users, then they’ll get whatever is coming to them, no?
There are a number of companies and organizations who don’t enjoy my business simply because I disagree with their business practices. The thing is, I don’t demand that they change to meet MY expectations. I instead give my business to those that DO meet my expectations. It’s like this: If you come into my house and start tromping around in muddy shoes, I’ll ask you to leave. If I’m at your house and your tromping around in muddy shoes, that’s fine. If it bothers me bad enough, I’ll leave, because ultimately, it’s YOUR house.
Well, the copyright law experts have stepped in and said all I would say about the US Code, etc. (Thanks, guys.)
But I especially want to address this:
I’m merely an interested party and a paying customer who finds the fact that only homoerotic images are being targetted to be extremely problematic, especially given the fact that many other ACTUALLY OFFENSIVE groups and posters have been reported to livejournal over the years, and livejournal said, “sorry, nothing we can do.”
There is a major difference between Homoerotica and the depictions of male teachers molesting their underage male students. It saddens me that I have to explain that to people.
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The other piece of goofcake I see floating around out there from the LJ Porn Contingent is that they don’t like the fact that their stuff was banned and cry “freedom of speech”—and then they talk about all the other stuff they want to see banned. Like Pro Ana.
(For those who don’t know, Pro-Ana is Pro-anorexia. It’s where groups suffering from a diagnosable mental illness give each other tips on how to be better anorectics.)
The thing about Pro-Ana is that it is a self-harm thing. As with any self-harm group, LJ may not like it, but they can’t stop it.
Pedophilic Pornography, on the other hand, has been shown time and time again to be actively harming minors. Again, I hate the thought of having to explain the difference.
Well, since the free dissemination of homoerotic images and pornographic materials in general is a free speech/1st Amendment issue under law, I guess that’s where I got the idea. Duh.
bridgett,
I must say that I laughed a little when someone suggested that YOU need a reading comprehension course.
Of course, you know how the world works; of course, you understand business. As for understanding the situation, I severely doubt that. I have not remarked on your opinion that the artwork is “trash” and your confusion as to why would someone draw *that*. I’d rather not engage you regarding these issues, or if you consider them to be issues. Those are your own opinions. (Frankly, the art squicks me. ) Really, this is not about art, child pornography or the law, and I’d rather debate about the facts:
1) LJ Laws were unclear and the punishments were draconian. They permanently banned the artist and all of her related journals, but there were no clear-cut laws on what is allowed and not. They have promised to give clarification, but they have never done so. Users have written open letters but received no satisfying clarification. Users are *willing* to comply. If laws are not clarified and people violate them, why the harsh punishment? And Why did LJ refuse to comply with their own terms:
Immediate suspension of account or accounts used to post the images. If user is posting pictures of self, email to offender explaining the situation and requiring the offender to schedule a time for unsuspension of journal, at which point offender will have 12 hours to remove images. If user is posting pictures of another, and there is indication that the user is aware that the minor in the images is indeed underage, termination of journal used to post the images. If, in Abuse Team member’s discretion, there is reasonable suspicion that the poster did not know that the image qualifies as child pornography, suspend the user until the user agrees to remove the images, rather than terminate the journal.
LJ Abuse Policy and Procedures: http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/policy.bml
2) Artistic Merit. They state it’s NOT kiddie porn (they couldn’t classify it as kiddie porn), only it lacks artistic merit. I will not judge artistic merit, because I have no *right* to do so. If the abuse team has: professors in art, literature and a lawyer, then they will probably have more credibility judging “artistic merit”. As it stands, the Ban team is nothing more than underpaid employees with horrible PR skills.
3) Hypocrisy. LJ TOS also states they will ban anyone who “incites” illegal activities including self harm and threats to the presidency; then why not ban repeatedly reported pro-racist, pro-anorexia communities or hetero porn communties? Why zero in on homoeroticism?
4) Sub par customer service. As stated in #1, users have been contacting LJ in order to make the muddy laws clear, but have received no response. The mayhem was born because they refused to listen to their customers. Add that to ignoring your customers in their five day uproar without so much as a “We are working on it. Please wait for an official statement.” Add that to LJ staff posting unofficial comments regarding the issue on communities other than news and Lj biz (official LJ communities).
If you know how the world works, they we both know this is not about child porn or a debate in art or an issue of the law. This is simply LJ enforcing and making fluid laws and serving harsh punishments because it is easier that way (and they are nuts). Really, that’s all there is to it. If you have followed Livejournal history and the 6A acquisition, then you would understand why users are terribly pissed with 6A. Fandom was already all over LJ, even before it became *a business*. Communities were already built before 6A came along and bought it and that’s why fandom is proud. You may know how the world works, but you missed this one. No offense. Still suggesting you research further.
PS: I knew about that TOS, that’s why I didn’t get a permanent account. =) On that note, the artist who was banned was *gifted* a permanent account. She did not buy it herself.
I see you fail to mention that users of Livejournal can now be banned because they link (either directly or in supplying a text only version of the URL) to a site which has content that Livejournal does not approve of – whether or not the page that is linked to is itself allowable, and even if the whole site was allowable when the link was originally posted.
So, now, one is responsible for the content of all onward links and for going back and checking any part of the site linked to (and any links featured on it) does not over time change to something not allowable.
And of course the fact that the Livejournal ToS does state that suspensions and bans can be appealed – by submitting a request to the Livejournal team, which can only be done using a specific Livejournal address, which is accessible only to Livejournal account holders, who are logged in… however, you can’t log in when your account is suspended. Not exactly fair or equitable.
Myself I’m a pan fandomer and here for the meta analysis rather than the porn, but I’m with the Potter fen on this one – the weaselly way that LJ / SixApart have been trying to enforce changes to their ToS without changing their ToS is deeply unprofessional, and possibly illegal. And their PR skills leave much to be desired. This whole debacle reveals far too much about their attitude to customer service, and none of it is good.
Before anyone spouts off more TOS quotes and saying “You agreed to this thing that says they can waahlete you any time!”, I would like to point out that the TOS was last edited in April 2006, and although I do not know when the termination clause was added, it was AFTER I joined several years ago, so I and at least a million other users, DID NOT agree to it. If the banned users were around when I was, they probably didn’t agree to it either, and since there’s this pretty new law about not changing the TOS without informing customers first, the banned users do have a leg to stand on if they want to take action against LiveJournal.
I would like to point out that the TOS was last edited in April 2006, and although I do not know when the termination clause was added, it was AFTER I joined several years ago, so I and at least a million other users, DID NOT agree to it.
The Revisions clause has been in there since at least as far back as when I joined over four years ago (when it was an invitation only service):
Banned uers are certainly free to complain all they want but bringing action against a private entity like LiveJournal for not broadcasting certain material is as stupid as me trying to sue my neighbor for not posting a sign for my politician of choice in their yard.
But now that there’s a law in effect that states web-based businesses are required to inform their customers of policy changes before they go into effect (something LJ has not done), the banned users can still fight. I’m not here to debate whether or not the users deserved to be banned, I’m just saying that there’s a lot more to this than meets the eye, and it’s pretty much a lose-lose situation.
Dear Harry Potter Pervs,
Live Journal clearly is not interested in having you as a customer. Show some dignity and quit whining about it like a eighth grade girl who just got dumped by her imaginary boyfriend. I put it into middle school terms for you, as that seems to be what floats your boat.
Find some other place to post your creepy little pictures. As a consumer, you have a choice of a variety of places to relocate to. Live Journal isn’t the only show in town. It’s a big ol’ Internet out there. Your “art” will surely find a home.
Try the NAMBLA site, for starters.
The “you’re perverts” crowd don’t get it and never will, no matter how people try to explain it. I’m not into the HP fandom, yet I understand the problem the users have with Livejournal’s policies and behavior, because I bothered to read, listen, and objectively consider things without the constant hum of “kiddie porn” echoing in my ears. There’s no point in saying, “It’s not about porn” anymore. Their minds are made up, and they’ll continue to call us disgusting perverts for not siding with Livejournal. Maybe I should try that some time; if someone disagrees, I’ll call them names just like in Kindergarten.
Dolphin, you clearly are delusional. It is important not because of the pictures themselves, but rather sharing them among the community. The pictures are easily replacable; the community is not.
Okay, I have a livejournal account, I’m still a minor and I’m not to fond on stumbling on what is effectively porn. But I don’t pay for my account. Explain. I’m not gonna get charged am I? Considering when I made it, it had the word FREE plastered all over it. Help. Ty
Okay, I have a livejournal account, I’m still a minor and I’m not too fond on stumbling on what is effectively porn. But I don’t pay for my account. Explain. I’m not gonna get charged am I? Considering when I made it, it had the word FREE plastered all over it. Help. Ty
The internet has been left to pretty much police itself and it is clear that various organisations have been stumbling around trying to figure out how to build a society with social mores etc.
Marginalised groups flocked to the internet looking for like-minded souls who would grant a sense of social acceptance that live communities refused to give them.
Then the regular folks went on the internet and were horrified by what they saw.
As a Canadian, I know that ponderosa121’s work would be considered kiddie porn. Heck, she would probably be charged. It is obvious to me that LiveJournal is changing as a community, stumbling around trying to figure out what to do with people like that and handling it badly.
But, they have a bad situation on their hands. In many countries, this work is considered criminal while pro-ana-ism is not, even though that could change. Which is the operative word here. Things change and when the head guys in a community decide that it is time to move on, we usually do.
The thing is, most of us are not desensitized to the horror sick minds can dish out and do regularly on the internet. We are shocked and traumatised by it. All we want is for these people to do is move on and even build a parallel community where they fulfill emotional needs amongst each other that the rest of us will never want to deal with.
Free speech is never absolutely free and there has to be a balance between someone expressing whatever they want with no regard for the effect it has on others and the need of a community to protect itself from the horror that sick minds produce.
With regards to the business angle, for every outraged Potter porner they lose, SixApart and LJ will gain a customer who will finally feel like someone out there in cyberspace has decided to respect their sensitivity.
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