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	<title>Comments on: Why I Don&#8217;t Like Mad Men</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nm</title>
		<link>http://mycropht.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/why-i-dont-like-mad-men/#comment-23769</link>
		<dc:creator>nm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno ... I was a child then, too. About the age of Don's daughter. And to me, it feels all wrong. Yeah, everybody smoked, but they didn't make this thing about it, they didn't concentrate on it or make it an eye-drawing act, they just smoked. And yeah, the men were (mostly) emotionally inarticulate and a tad reserved, but, with most of them, there was a lot of love for their families lurking behind that reserve and peeking through and waving all the time, which the show doesn't seem to be aware of. OTOH, the casual racism and antisemitism (or the boast that in &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; household we don't talk that way, although most people do), the kids pouring drinks (I generally poured wine for my parents and their guests), lots of the little details are right. But they fit together very differently than the way it looks on the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno &#8230; I was a child then, too. About the age of Don&#8217;s daughter. And to me, it feels all wrong. Yeah, everybody smoked, but they didn&#8217;t make this thing about it, they didn&#8217;t concentrate on it or make it an eye-drawing act, they just smoked. And yeah, the men were (mostly) emotionally inarticulate and a tad reserved, but, with most of them, there was a lot of love for their families lurking behind that reserve and peeking through and waving all the time, which the show doesn&#8217;t seem to be aware of. OTOH, the casual racism and antisemitism (or the boast that in <i>our</i> household we don&#8217;t talk that way, although most people do), the kids pouring drinks (I generally poured wine for my parents and their guests), lots of the little details are right. But they fit together very differently than the way it looks on the show.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it.  But then, I was a child during this period, and I can &lt;i&gt;taste&lt;/i&gt; those lamps, those clothes, that furniture... all that smoking and drinking 24/7,  it is so incredibly accurate that I sit hypnotized--I have been taken back to my pre-school days!  (They also show different classes of people, and the difference in their homes, decor, attitudes, everything.)  

A lot of women do creative work on this show, and I would suggest one reason you might not like it (as some other feminists I know do not) is that it correctly brings back the time in which women were on the cusp of liberation... but still treated like horse-dung, particularly if they had sex outside of marriage.  I even wrote a post titled "Thank a second-wave (old) feminist IF..."  largely inspired by the show.  Women don't like to think about how it used to be.  But I think that's the show's lasting feminist gift to us.  

As for how unlikable the characters are, I think that is largely subversive... advertising is, after all, fakery.  So the people who work in it, the show suggests, live that way. They lie to us, as they lie to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it.  But then, I was a child during this period, and I can <i>taste</i> those lamps, those clothes, that furniture&#8230; all that smoking and drinking 24/7,  it is so incredibly accurate that I sit hypnotized&#8211;I have been taken back to my pre-school days!  (They also show different classes of people, and the difference in their homes, decor, attitudes, everything.)  </p>
<p>A lot of women do creative work on this show, and I would suggest one reason you might not like it (as some other feminists I know do not) is that it correctly brings back the time in which women were on the cusp of liberation&#8230; but still treated like horse-dung, particularly if they had sex outside of marriage.  I even wrote a post titled &#8220;Thank a second-wave (old) feminist IF&#8230;&#8221;  largely inspired by the show.  Women don&#8217;t like to think about how it used to be.  But I think that&#8217;s the show&#8217;s lasting feminist gift to us.  </p>
<p>As for how unlikable the characters are, I think that is largely subversive&#8230; advertising is, after all, fakery.  So the people who work in it, the show suggests, live that way. They lie to us, as they lie to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: The Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it's a bit strange, but I agree with the poster, but for the exact opposite of the reasons listed. 

There's something about the show that isn't quite right, even though they've obviously gone to a lot of trouble to mimic the details. 

I've watched some of the episodes, and I'm always conscious that what I'm watching *isn't* taking place in 1960. 

And the funny thing is, I'm not sure why.

Part of it is I think is the actors. They just look too *modern*, in some strange way.  

The other part of is, I don't think that people in 1960 would've have been as open about, well, everything as they are now.  

I knew WASPs from that era, and I just can't see them being as open with their prejudices/feelings as they seem to be in the show. 

Not that they didn't have them, but they would have been much more ... formal about expressing them. 

I might be wrong, but I don't think the show is going to have much of an audience outside cable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a bit strange, but I agree with the poster, but for the exact opposite of the reasons listed. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s something about the show that isn&#8217;t quite right, even though they&#8217;ve obviously gone to a lot of trouble to mimic the details. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched some of the episodes, and I&#8217;m always conscious that what I&#8217;m watching *isn&#8217;t* taking place in 1960. </p>
<p>And the funny thing is, I&#8217;m not sure why.</p>
<p>Part of it is I think is the actors. They just look too *modern*, in some strange way.  </p>
<p>The other part of is, I don&#8217;t think that people in 1960 would&#8217;ve have been as open about, well, everything as they are now.  </p>
<p>I knew WASPs from that era, and I just can&#8217;t see them being as open with their prejudices/feelings as they seem to be in the show. </p>
<p>Not that they didn&#8217;t have them, but they would have been much more &#8230; formal about expressing them. </p>
<p>I might be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think the show is going to have much of an audience outside cable.</p>
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		<title>By: Insecure Much? &#171; Just Another Pretty Farce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insecure Much? &#171; Just Another Pretty Farce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then last night someone purporting to be the creator of a much-loved tv show actually stopped by to criticise me for not liking his show. Really. He apparently didn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then last night someone purporting to be the creator of a much-loved tv show actually stopped by to criticise me for not liking his show. Really. He apparently didn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarcastro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarcastro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, grow some thicker skin.  You are in the television business.  If you can't take mild criticism from loners and shut-ins how are you going to handle it when the critical press stops fawning over your show?

Celebrate your success and acclaim.  Quit worrying about what the great unwashed masses here in the hinterlands think of your amazing Tee-Vee show.  It's quite an achievement for basic cable.

My plans to catch up with your show have sadly changed.  I, too, will watch something else now. 

Hope that's okay with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, grow some thicker skin.  You are in the television business.  If you can&#8217;t take mild criticism from loners and shut-ins how are you going to handle it when the critical press stops fawning over your show?</p>
<p>Celebrate your success and acclaim.  Quit worrying about what the great unwashed masses here in the hinterlands think of your amazing Tee-Vee show.  It&#8217;s quite an achievement for basic cable.</p>
<p>My plans to catch up with your show have sadly changed.  I, too, will watch something else now. </p>
<p>Hope that&#8217;s okay with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there.  Sorry you don't like it.  Please do us all a favor and don't watch it.  Here's the good news, you don't have to.  Go back to your other TV shows.  they really satisfy and deserve a five paragraph essay.  Just don't watch Mad Men-- it's okay with me. 

Matthew Weiner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there.  Sorry you don&#8217;t like it.  Please do us all a favor and don&#8217;t watch it.  Here&#8217;s the good news, you don&#8217;t have to.  Go back to your other TV shows.  they really satisfy and deserve a five paragraph essay.  Just don&#8217;t watch Mad Men&#8211; it&#8217;s okay with me. </p>
<p>Matthew Weiner</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy isn't likeable? Come on.

One of the best, most subtle episodes of this for me was the one in which Draper turned down the offer of a great new job just make sure his wife stayed at home.

Sexist? Certainly. It's an historically accurate show, and that was the way the world was. (And you know what, it still is. It's just  hidden these days.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy isn&#8217;t likeable? Come on.</p>
<p>One of the best, most subtle episodes of this for me was the one in which Draper turned down the offer of a great new job just make sure his wife stayed at home.</p>
<p>Sexist? Certainly. It&#8217;s an historically accurate show, and that was the way the world was. (And you know what, it still is. It&#8217;s just  hidden these days.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julius Valerius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius Valerius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sexist.  It is racist.  And my lord, did that many people used to smoke?  (Yes, go to any eastern European or Asian country.)  We were open about all those things in 1959.  The characters are all flawed.  As are we.  We watch Draper driving his wife to the psychiatrist's couch, searching for his own identity in the arms of other women.  One of his core concepts is how can anyone be unhappy when we have this much material wealth?  Why do we now need Valium when we have the suburbs, no longer need to focus on subsistence?  I frankly think it is brilliant, a crafted period piece that is focused on the issues of sexism, racism, consumerism that we 'have moved beyond'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sexist.  It is racist.  And my lord, did that many people used to smoke?  (Yes, go to any eastern European or Asian country.)  We were open about all those things in 1959.  The characters are all flawed.  As are we.  We watch Draper driving his wife to the psychiatrist&#8217;s couch, searching for his own identity in the arms of other women.  One of his core concepts is how can anyone be unhappy when we have this much material wealth?  Why do we now need Valium when we have the suburbs, no longer need to focus on subsistence?  I frankly think it is brilliant, a crafted period piece that is focused on the issues of sexism, racism, consumerism that we &#8216;have moved beyond&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Beale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have to say, Mad Men is my absolutely most favorite show on TV right now. As for your criticism that there are no likeable characters, well, I felt that way about "John from  Cincininnati" but definitely not about Mad Men. I think all of the Mad Men characters have likeable qualities, or at least, are sympathetic in some way. Even the lead character Don Draper, who is a pig for how he cheats on his wife, but the reasons he acts out that way are very human.

Nope, Kat, you're wrong. It's the best TV I've seen ... and I have to say, it's no surprise that it's on cable, not networks. Networks like their shows very two-dimensional, but I find this world and its characters fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to say, Mad Men is my absolutely most favorite show on TV right now. As for your criticism that there are no likeable characters, well, I felt that way about &#8220;John from  Cincininnati&#8221; but definitely not about Mad Men. I think all of the Mad Men characters have likeable qualities, or at least, are sympathetic in some way. Even the lead character Don Draper, who is a pig for how he cheats on his wife, but the reasons he acts out that way are very human.</p>
<p>Nope, Kat, you&#8217;re wrong. It&#8217;s the best TV I&#8217;ve seen &#8230; and I have to say, it&#8217;s no surprise that it&#8217;s on cable, not networks. Networks like their shows very two-dimensional, but I find this world and its characters fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate O'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate O'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone keeps telling me how much I'd love that show, but you just convinced me I might also hate it. But now I definitely HAVE to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone keeps telling me how much I&#8217;d love that show, but you just convinced me I might also hate it. But now I definitely HAVE to see it.</p>
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